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| | Evil Disproves God? |
 | | The Christian gospel does not primarily know God as one who is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, the Christian gospel primarily knows God as the one who is revealed in Jesus Christ. | | | Is the existence of evil a fatal counter-argument to Christian claims of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God? | | | And so, when a Christian claims God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, one must go to the biblical presentation of Jesus Christ to find out what they mean. |
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http://www.users.fast.net/~bekkenhuis/page10222.html
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| | Evil is as evil does |
| | Only then can we show the theistic contradiction in holding both a belief in an omnibenevolent god (whatever that god is) and seeing reality's evils. | | | Therefore we find that the Christian omnibenevolent premise, as is true of most other religions, does not hold water. | | | The only conclusion that we can hold is that omnibenevolence itself cannot be a divine attribute, in the sense that we humans understand it. |
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http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/evilis.html
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| | What is Faith? The answer from Irregular Times |
| | However, true free will is logically incompatible with the omniscience of God, and therefore the omnipotence, omniscience, or omnibenevolence of God is logically destroyed. | | | This apparent injustice created by an omnipotent omnibenevolent God doesn't make any sense to believers, yet sense must be made of it, because they believe that the universe must makes sense because it operates according to God's rules. | | | In a kind of circular logic, the existence of the divine justice of the afterlife is amply proven to the believer by the otherwise unthinkable injustice of the world created by God. |
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http://irregulartimes.com/whatfaith.html
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| | MIDDLE KNOWLEDGE AND CHRISTIAN EXCLUSIVISM |
| | But then Christian exclusivism is incompatible with the existence of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God. | | | God in His providence has so arranged the world that as the Christian gospel went out from first century Palestine, all who would respond freely to it if they heard it did hear it, and all who do not hear it are persons who would not have accepted it if they had heard it. | | | We have seen that the doctrine of hell poses a significant challenge, not to God's justice and holiness, but to His omnibenevolence. |
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http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/middle1.html#text2
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| | The traditional theistic view of God is he's an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being. | | | The Mormon view of God is he's an omniscient, omnibenevolent being who isn't ontologically omnipresent or omnipotent in the classical sense. | | | Or C) God is omnipotent but not omnibenevolent and wouldn't be a holy and sinless God. |
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http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id78.htm
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| | AnalPhilosopher The Logical Problem of Evil |
| | To say that God is omnibenevolent is to say that he is perfectly good. | | | Whether or not they are taking the OT seriously is a different issue, but I suspect they would say that your reading of the OT is superficial, and that even there God is portrayed as omnibenevolent, or at least very good. | | | They’re perfectly happy to admit that if God exists, then God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. |
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http://www.analphilosopher.com/posts/1126503735.shtml
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| | Someplace Somewhere - Can the concept of God make sense? |
| | It is possible that God is not omnibenevolent. | | | I've never been taught in all my years of church that God is omnibenevolent. | | | Therefore, the only God I could believe in would be one that did not have one of the three omni's. |
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http://www.someplacesomewhere.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2203
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| | fidlet.com » the argument from evil against the existence of God |
| | Not quite sure what you mean by omnibenevolence being a "refraction " of the holiness of God (so, does that mean that God IS or ISN’T omnibenevolent?). | | | Personally speaking, I am more comforted by the possibility of a non-omnipotent and non-omniscient God because it raises the possiblity of a God who is changing and growing and learning over time (much as we all are), and/or the possibility of a god who is restrained by some sort of rules (for example, nonintervention). | | | None of those things seem directly benevolent to me, and yet Christians acknowledge this same God as the one true God, who is holy and loving and good, but not omnibenevolent. |
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http://www.fidlet.com/?p=16
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| | Ephilosopher :: Philosophy of Religion Forum :: All Loving = Revealing in Unambiguous Ways |
| | I don't know of a point in the Bible where God is specifically described as loving everything, or the Qu'ran for that matter, which are, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only two books supposedly divinely inspired that attest to a God that is beyond our natural universe. | | | As humans we do have no true knowledge of what it means to be omnibenevolent. | | | This should probably mean that the one who is omnibenevolent loves everyone (rather than everything). |
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http://www.ephilosopher.com/phpBB_14-action-viewtopic-topic-516&6.html
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| | ON THE FREE WILL DEFENSE AGAINST ARGUMENT FROM EVIL - Aparthib Zaman |
| | The words omnipotent = all-powerful, omniscient = all-knowing and omnibenevolent = all compassionate are attributes often applied to God, that he is all-powerful, knows all that can be known and is infinitely compassionate. | | | Most importantly, is it consistent with an omnibenevolent being to require that evil be committed on children, innocent men and women (after all evil is defined as wrongs perpetrated on the innocent, not on the wicked) just so that the victims (if they survive) or those who were spared can appreciate the good? | | | So this apology also does not hold under close scrutiny and thus free will and the existence of evil by humans is incompatible with the concept of an omniscient/omnipotent/ omnibenevolent God. |
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http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/aparthib/FREE_WILL_DEFENSE.htm
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| | TooMuchSexy.blog - Is God really Omnibenevolent? |
| | P4: God is Omnibenevolent and therefore by definition wants to remove evil from the world. | | | A better (logically) argument is that since God is omniscient, and we are not, we cannot prove, disprove, or even judge his omnibenevolance. | | | One fault I saw while typing this up is that if God is not omnibenevolent, why would you trust him to help you or to prevent evil from befalling you. |
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http://www.toomuchsexy.org/index/weblog/comments/3540
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| | The Problem of Evil |
| | The argument admits that there is evil in the world, but asserts that the evil was not of God's creation and is not under God's power to eliminate (denying premise #3). | | | Atheologists claim that a being that has those qualities cannot have created the world we live in, due to the amount of evil in the world. | | | It says that the end state of the world (how the world will end up) is the true basis for the present. |
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http://www.geocities.com/lord-leachim/philosophy/problemofevil.html
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| | Talbott's Universalism Once More |
| | Finally, the claim seems consistent with His omnibenevolence, since God is said to choose the world with the optimal balance of saved and unsaved and to accord sufficient grace for salvation even to the unsaved, who He knew would reject Him. | | | Given His omnibenevolence, it seems that God, in the moment logically prior to His creative decree, would choose a world from among those feasible worlds having such a balance. | | | In the debate between universalism and particularism, three questions need to be addressed: (I) Has it been shown that it is inconsistent to affirm both that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent and that some persons do not receive Christ and are damned? |
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http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/talbott2.html
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| | TAUniverse - The problem of omnibenevolence |
| | Presuppose that god is an evil dictator who pretends to everyone that he's omnibenevolent. | | | The Christian god is generally proclaimed to be omnibenevolent - admittedly not all Christians believe this, but here's a question for those who do: | | | Even if it's a matter of making everyone as happy as possible at the same time (assuming that a perfect world is not possible), then God still isn't omnibenevolent. |
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http://www.tauniverse.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=442389
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| | Balderdash |
| | It is not that God just chooses not to do such things, rather that God's nature as omnibenevolent constrains what she can do. | | | It seems to the engineers that such a God could never choose to do something which is unloving. | | | It means, in effect, accepting that rationality is a constraint on God (though it is a moot point exactly what the word constraint means in this regard). |
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http://gssq.blogspot.com/2004/08/quote-of-post-words-easy-to-be.html
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| | God is incompatible with evidence |
| | [See God] According to the dictionary, "God" has the characteristics of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being, the creator of the universe. | | | It deals with the logical consequences of God as an omnibenevolent being. | | | As with all nouns, "God" has a definition and, according to the theist, there should be a denotation as well. |
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http://members.aol.com/dandclxvi/evidence.htm
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| | THE WISDOM OF ANCIENT GREECE |
| | Often conflated with the logical problem, the evidential problem accepts that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent God could be consistent with the existence of evil, but then questions whether the amount of evil in the world could count against the existence of such a God. | | | What they found is that every argument fell short of proving the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent God. | | | The strength of this position depends on the lack of any independent arguments for the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent God. |
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http://www.duke.edu/~ajt4/TIPEvil.html
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| | Omnibenevolence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| | Omnibenevolence is the property of being perfectly good, attributed by some religions to God. | | | The idea of God’s omnibenevolence in Christianity is based on Psalms 18:30, “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.” | | | Muslims like Christians and Jews need to explain how an infinitely compassionate God allows evil and why an infinitely compassionate and just God punishes souls eternally in Hell for finite wrongs. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibenevolent
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| | the problem of evil - DiscussAnything.com - |
| | No one, that I know of, has claimed that there is an omnibenevolent god. | | | His, (or her, if you prefer), existence then is a moot point. | | | Local Time: 02:34 AM the problem of evil |
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http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67509
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| | The idea here is that the existence of evil poses, at a minimum, a serious problem for traditional theism (the view that God exists and is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent). | | | Note that a theist can try to show that at least one of (2)-(6) is false, and therefore that (7) needn't be true. | | | Hence, (1) is false; that is, either God does not exist, or God is not omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. |
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| | Problem of evil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| | God is not omnipotent, omnibenevolent, or God does not exist. | | | The problem of evil relies on the assertion that God must be omnibenevolent (perfectly good, all-loving, etc.). | | | There are a great number of variants of the problem of evil, including inductive variants, logical variants, evidential variants, soteriological variants, arguments from natural law, pain and pleasure, and more. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_problem_of_evil
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| | Are the omni-attributes of God contradictory? |
| | An omnipotent, omnibenevolent God obviously doesn't exist, since there is evil and suffering in the world. | | | God Can't Do Everything - Gregory Koukl answers the question "Can God do evil?" | | | Yet even if he did change his mind, he would have always known that he would change his mind and what his final wishes would be, and he could act according to his final wishes. |
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http://www.rationalchristianity.net/omni.html
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| | One might claim that God is still responsible for the moral evil that exists in the world, contradicting the belief that God is omnibenevolent. | | | [3] It is not the case that God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent. | | | Thus God is either not omnibenevolent or omnipotent. |
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http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~fairgr/papers/evil.doc
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| | Drifty's Rants - - |
| | And you can't say it didn't know humans would create evil since it is omniscient. | | | Even if we say God is omnibenevolent regardless, then if God is omnipotent it has the ability to eliminate evil. | | | The last way of explaining evil is to say that God is not perfect. |
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| | Heretical Ideas » PHILOSOPHIC OPEN THREAD |
| | If God is OMNIbenevolent, He has to be benevolent toward everything. | | | Obviously, if God is omnibenevolent, and evil is in the world, the Evil is beneficial to us in some way. | | | I don’t think it is intuitive that God is omnibenevolent. |
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http://www.hereticalideas.com/index.php?p=1420
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| | Evil is considered to be a negative being, or force, in contrast to the positive being, or force, of an omnibenevolent God. | | | The omni-everything God is supposed to be omnipotent, translated as “all-powerful” [can do anything], omniscient, translated as “all-knowing” [knows everything], and omnibenevolent, translated as “all-caring” [is perfectly compassionate]. | | | (C) God is not omnibenevolent, or, otherwise, is evil, because, being the creator of everything including Evil, God must have created Evil. |
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http://www.bobkwebsite.com/rtnlcncptofgod.html
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| | God is a big fat lie. |
| | Let's start with their assumption that thier god is omnibenevolent by their standards. | | | This god wouldn't be hypocritical, and in fact would be very choosy, picking his favorites and setting them up with a nice afterlife and sending those he hates (not incapable for a god that isn't omnibenevolent) right into hell. | | | Let's just pretend a moment, play 'devil's advocate', if you will, that this god of theirs is NOT omniscient, that their god indeed might not know shit. |
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http://users.rcn.com/fiver.javanet/atheism/godlie.htm
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| | My life as a Wayland |
| | This would mean that saying "perfectly omnipotent" would be tautologous by my definition so I haven't stated it. | | | Therefore God should be perfect (in order to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent). | | | But his may be countered by the argument that many believe God to be beyond morality and all that good vs. evil stuff. |
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http://waylandwang.blogspot.com
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| | Tomis Kapitan's Home Page |
| | (4) An omnipotent, omniscience, and omnibenevolent being does not exist. | | | (2) If there exists an omnipotent, omniscience, and omnibenevolent being then there would be no evil. | | | (1) If there exists a supreme being then there exists a being that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. |
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http://www.niu.edu/phil/~kapitan/evilarguments.shtml
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| | A New Free Will Defense |
| | [2], since God can bring about any logically possible state of affairs, and all people always freely doing what is right is plainly a logically possible state of affairs, one that an omnibenevolent deity would a moral obligation to bring about. How, then, is a theist to respond? | | | One variant of the deductive argument from evil claims that if God is essentially omnibenevolent and essentially omnipotent, then it is logically impossible that God and evil should co-exist. Mackie[1] has argued that considerations of free will are of no help to the theist in refuting the deductive argument form evil | | | (1) The nature of an essentially omnibenevolent and omnipotent God contains a moral principle, which he necessarily acts on as he is omnibenevolent, that would prohibit God from creating a person that does something immoral. |
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http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/ap85/papers/NewFWD.html
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| | sciforums.com - Contradictions in the Nature of God |
| | What do you understand, Gods omnipotence omni benevolence to be? | | | To answer this, you have to deny either the existence of evil, God's omnipotence or his omnibenevolence, right? | | | On the other hand, if you say God could create evil, wouldn't that be denying his omnibenevolence? |
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http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=11482&pp=40
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| | PHIL 251: Formalizing the Problem of Evil |
| | Let G = God exists, P = God is omnipotent, S = God is omniscient, B = God is omnibenevolent, C = God can prevent evil, K = God knows that evil exists, X = God prevents evil, and E = evil exists | | | If God can prevent evil and knows it exists, then God is not omnibenevolent unless he prevents it. | | | If God prevents evil then it does not exist. |
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http://www-phil.tamu.edu/~gary/intro/probevil.formalization.html
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| | Evil |
| | So God would have the power, the know-how, and the motivation to eradicate evil, but if (4) is true, evil is NOT eradicated. | | | And this does not seem to be what someone thinks when they say that God is omnibenevolent. | | | If one denies that God is omniscient, or denies that he is omnipotent or omnibenevolent, then there the problem of evil will be dissolved. |
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http://www.unc.edu/~megw/Evil.html
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| | A Re-Examination of the Problem of Evil |
| | It seems to be always implied in discussions on God's nature that a god's morality should be the same as ours because we use the same word, "good". | | | Since God is omnibenevolent, he wants to stop human suffering. | | | I have never seen the real question adressed : what does it mean to be good, or omnibenevolent for that matter, for a god ? |
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http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/argumentfromevil.html
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| | TooMuchSexy.blog - Is God really Omnipotent? |
| | The remaining possibility that satisfies omniscience and omnibenevolence is that God knew Lucifer would become evil, wanted to stop him, but could not. | | | This means that either God isn’t omniscient, or he allowed Lucifer to fall from grace knowingly. | | | By allowing any being to fall from grace into the depths of darkness is not an omnibenevolent act; one can imagine a being whose love is so great that it cannot allow evil to befall anyone. |
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http://www.toomuchsexy.org/index/weblog/comments/3541
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