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| | Consubstantiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
 | | Lutherans hold that this rejection of metaphysical explanations of Christ's presence is not contradicted by the fact that both the writings of Martin Luther and documents of the church itself often refer to the body and blood of Christ as "in, with, and under" the bread and wine. | | | In England in the late 14th century, there was a political and religious movement known as Lollardy. | | | Among much broader goals, the Lollards affirmed a form of consubstantiation -- that the Eucharist remained physically bread and wine, while becoming spiritually the body and blood of Christ. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consubstantiation
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| | Consubstantial with the Father (No. 81) |
| | The elect are consubstantial with God as Christ is consubstantial with God. | | | The doctrine of Consubstantiality of Jesus Christ is held by Trinitarians in an incorrect manner to effectively deny the participation of the elect in the divine nature as co-heirs with Christ. | | | Consubstantiability or the Son being of one substance with the Father was coupled with co-eternity with Him by J.H. Newman (ibid., Consubstantiality). |
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http://www.logon.org/english/s/p081.html
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| | Beliefnet.com |
| | Consubstantiation is certainly not compatible with defined Catholic belief, and one who obstinately held it would without doubt be a heretic. | | | Transubstantiation may seem a hard saying, but it is Christ's, and the Church proclaims it joyfully as such. | | | I feel that Holy Mother Church leans away from the bread since the change is so dramatic that you cannot easily and very well teach this without having some confusion. |
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http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?boardID=17845&discussionID=402071
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| | Joel A. Brondos: Comment on Lutherans Deny Consubstantiation |
| | While consubstantiation does not refer to the comixture of two substances, Lutheran theology does insist upon the mixture of Christ's divine and human attributes - these are related, but separate issues. | | | There - substantial presence with the signs equals consubstantiation; and I mean a literal definition of that word, not whatever theological connotations have attached to it over the years (perhaps whatever is assumed there is what Augsberg rejects). | | | I suspect the truth is that most LCMS churches hold to this view and that most laypeople within the LCMS would unhesitatingly describe their view of the Lord's Supper as "consubstantial" (if they could describe it at all). |
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http://www.worldmagblog.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=3188
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| | Ursinus on The Lord's Supper |
| | That the doctrine of transubstantiation and consubstantiation may be rejected, and abandoned. | | | We have already explained what is meant by ubiquity, and given a sufficient refutation of it in the exposition of the articles relating to the personal union of the two natures in Christ, his ascension into heaven, and sitting at the right hand of God the Father, to which we refer the reader. | | | The ubiquitarians also acknowledge this in their writings, and have for this reason invented the doctrine of ubiquity, because they clearly saw that their views could not be sustained by the words of Christ; but would soon be overthrown if made to rest on this foundation. |
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http://www.truecovenanter.com/worship/ursinus_heidelberg_catechism_ld_28-30.html
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| | The Catholic Encyclopedia - Consubstantiation |
| | Albertus Magnus, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure, maintained that the words, "This is my body", disproved it; while Alexander of Hales, Scotus, Durandus, Occam, and Pierre d'Ailly declared that it was not inconsistent with Scripture, and could only be disproved by the authority of the Fathers and the teaching of the Church (Turmel, Hist. | | | 319 sqq.) The great Schoolmen unanimously rejected Consubstantiation, but they differed in their reasons for doing so. |
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http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/04322a.htm
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| | CGR: "____substantiation" |
| | Thus, we eat spiritually, and drink spiritually, but not physically; for, Christ is completely in Heaven, and no longer on Earth. | | | Christ ascended whole into Heaven, to sit at the right hand of the Father. |
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http://www.christianguitar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65036
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| | Kairos |
| | Both admit that Christ is present in the Eucharist, and both thereby require one to approach it as more than just "a symbol." The remainder seems to me one of those "faith" versus "works" argument that somewhere down the line we are going to decide isn't really much of an argument. | | | This argument seems to me to be very much akin to different understandings of the Atonement, which on the whole do not diverge into "orthodoxy" and "heresy." A person who believes in consubstantiation believes in the True Presence, as does a transubstantiationist. | | | There are very few people who realise what God would make of them if they abandoned themselves into His hands, and let themselves be formed by His grace. |
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http://godstime.blogspot.com/2003_01_12_godstime_archive.html
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| | Chaplain's Quick Reference Resource |
| | Spiritual Consubstantiation: The body and blood of Christ is given, taken and eaten only after a spiritual manner and the means whereby the body and blood of Christ is received is faith. | | | Consubstantiation: Elements do not change, but believe that the literal presence of Christ is present in, under and with the elements so that Christ may be received sacramentally. | | | Thus they believe they partake in a real physical way. |
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http://www.ficotw.org/chaplainsresource.html
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| | Hit and Run |
| | Hey, that consubstantiation stuff is pretty important, but dead elvis has a point: I spent 13 years in the Lutheran school system, learning about Lutheran history and doctrine, and sometimes it was all about kicking the Catholic church's ass. | | | After a nearly 30-year hiatus, Davey Hansen and his faithful dog Goliath are back to teach values to a new generation of young people. | | | Later, I noticed that Lutheranism is one of the most marginalized religions in America. |
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http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2004/12/puppet_sex_redu.shtml
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| | The imaginary presence of Transubstantiators, Consubstantiators, and Ubiquitists, contrasted with the orthodox doctrine. | | | Refutation from Tertullian, from a saying of Christ after his resurrection, from the definition of a true body, and from different passages of Scripture. | | | The words of the institution explained in opposition to the glosses of transubstantiators and consubstantiators. |
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http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/cvin4-18.htm
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| | Therefore it can be argued that by the end of Edward& reign the Church was mildly Protestant, but not completely, and not as extreme reformers might have hoped for. | | | * 1552 prayer book "marked arrival of the English Church at Protestantism" (Elton) and in this prayer book the Eucharist was described in terms of consubstantiation. | | | A Protestant church would believe in consubstantiation, with the bread and the wine being administered to the laity, would have communion tables as opposed to altars, no decoration or ornament, and a service and prayer book in English. |
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http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2809/page27.html
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| | Communion - Forums powered by UBB.threads™ |
| | I'm having a hard time understanding what a Biblical view of communion is. I attend a Lutheran church, which teaches consubstantiation, but I'm not really sure where I stand on the subject personally. | | | Forgive me for my ignorance - but could someone explain the concept of consubstantiation. | | | I have read the scriptures on communion, and understand why transubstantiation is unbiblical. |
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http://www.patriarchspath.org/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=views&Number=3279&Main=3185
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| | Truth Tracts Answers |
| | Answers to new questions will be in the Faith Questions Channel on the homepage. | | | Could you explain in "simple" terms the fundamental difference between the Lutheran view of Consubstantiation and the Catholic view of Transubstantiation? | | | Simply put, Transubstantiation means that bread and wine are completely transformed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Mass. |
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http://www.catholicexchange.com/css/answers.asp?quest=535
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| | Transubstantiation, Real Presence |
| | Consubstantiation is a teaching used to explain the Christian experience and conviction that Christ is truly present with his people in their celebration of the Eucharist. | | | Unlike the doctrine of transubstantiation, however, that of consubstantiation asserts that the substance of the bread and wine is also unchanged, the ubiquitous body of Christ coexisting "in, with, and under" the substance of the bread, and the blood of Christ in, with, and under the wine, by the power of the Word of God. | | | Consubstantiation rests on the same philosophical assumptions as the medieval doctrine of transubstantiation, which it opposed. |
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http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/text/transub.htm
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| | Blood of Christ |
| | Blood of Christ: New Age Spirituality Dictionary on Consubstantiation | | | (See also: Consubstantiation, New Age Spirituality, Body Mind and Soul) | | | Blood of Christ: A Christian Theological Dictionary on Consubstantiation |
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http://www.experiencefestival.com/blood_of_christ
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| | Archived Questions of the Month |
| | Transubstantiation refers to the belief that, in the Eucharist, Jesus Christ is truly present, body, blood, soul and divinity under the appearance of bread and wine. | | | What is the difference between Transubstantiation vs. Consubstantiation? | | | Consubstantiation refers to the belief that, in the Eucharist, that Jesus is present, but the substance of bread and wine remains bread and wine. |
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http://www.byzantines.net/immaculateconception/question_old.htm
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| | Lecture 9: Reformation—Luther |
| | The Crusades had made the church look dumb and fumbling. | | | It just has Christ's essence in with it. | | | In consubstantiation, it is like the body and blood of Christ get mixed with the bread and wine. |
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http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/maplewoods/socsci/westciv/stock/wc2/lectures/9.htm
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| | Appendix B: The Lord's Supper |
| | Transubstantiation is taught by some denominations, including the Roman Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church; it holds that the bread and the fruit of the vine literally turn into the body and blood of Christ when a Christian partakes of it. | | | Therefore, Christ would not have commanded His disciples and His children to partake of an emblem that would be an abomination to His Father. | | | There are many denominations that teach that the bread and the fruit of the vine are literally the body and blood of Christ. |
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http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/denominations/LS.html
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| | The Defender - Church Teachings |
| | Many other Christian Churches celebrate the Eucharist but it is usually referred to as a “remembrance” or a “memorial”. | | | It is important that we, as Catholics, accept the proper Church teaching that the consecrated bread and wine, although retaining the appearance of bread and wine, (known as the accidental appearance) is the actual Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. | | | Others use various terms to signify the event, such as “consubstantiation”, which translates as the result being both bread and wine, and at the same time, the symbolic Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. |
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http://www.thedefender.org/dec2002teaching.html
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| | The Lord Supper |
| | mass; transubstantiation; consubstantiation; sacraments - Where do we find such in the Bible? | | | Those who partake have their sins forgiven and receive an extra measure of grace. | | | 2) Consubstantiation - Luther's response to this doctrine - the bread and wine are not the |
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http://members.aol.com/DBate81348/index.church.weekly.lordsupp.htm
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| | Bible Glossary M2 Meah-Mezahab |
| | I Chronicles 8:35 Godly ideals of the Soul is like GOD are estates of GOD and kingly (rule) and equanimity possesses (Souls). | | | Genesis 14:18 The ruler of peace with consubstantiation, the servant of the Most High GOD. |
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http://www.marmsweb.com/bglossm2.html
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| | William of Ockham [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy] |
| | Neither Scripture nor reason contradicts the possibility of the substance of bread, not merely the accidents, remaining together with the substance of the body of Christ; nor is transubstantiation taught in Scripture. | | | The operation is described in a manner usual in Franciscan theology; grace does not reside in them, but they are signs that God, in accordance with his institution, will accompany their administration with his grace. | | | Under the head of the sacraments, his fullest treatment is given to the Eucharist, where he follows the consubstantiation theory which after Scotus was becoming common. |
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http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/ockham.htm
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| | The Lords Supper |
| | Consubstantiation states that the elements do not change into Christ but he is actually present in, with and under the elements. |
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http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/truthleads2life/Guestteaching1.html
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| | C.The Real Presence: Similar in many ways to consubstantiation, this belief is that the bread and wine are gifts of God. | | | Consubstantiation: This is the belief that after the bread and wine are consecrated, the whole body and blood of Jesus are united with the bread and wine. | | | This belief was put forward by Luther in the sixteenth century, and is still held by many Lutherans today. |
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| | Here We Stand: WTF?! |
| | Consubstantiation is not the Lutheran doctrine of the Lord's Supper; rather, it was a competing theory to transubstantiation ventured forth by Franciscan nominanalists prior to the Reformation and was the subject of scholastic debate. | | | Both the Franciscans and Dominicans further agreed that Christ's physical body was in a spatial heaven, thus both theories must be interpreted in this light. | | | However, consubstantiation still relies on the substance/accidence distinction and further posits that a substance can be present minus its accidents, which is predicated on the notion that matter is not "true" reality. |
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http://metalutheran.blogspot.com/2005/02/wtf.html
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| | Contarini, Gasparo |
| | Lutheran theologians repudiate the popular term "consubstantiation," in the sense of a permanent connection of the elements with the body and blood of Christ, confining this connection to the act of the communion. | | | CONSUBSTANTIATION: A technical term denoting the Lutheran view of the elements of the Lord&, in contradistinction from the Roman Catholic view-- transubstantiation. | | | His own position is shown in a treatise on justification, composed at Ratisbon, which in essential points is Evangelical, differing only in the omission of the negative side and in being interwoven with the teaching of Aquinas. |
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http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc03/htm/ii.xx.iii.htm
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| | Pop Occulture: Transubstantiation |
| | It seems this is pretty close to the original belief, except that in Consubstantiation, the Eucharist not only literally becomes Christ's body and blood, but also fully remains as bread & wine at the same time. | | | The other version among some Lutheran groups is the idea of Consubstantiation. | | | It certainly seems like splitting hairs, but this is the kind of shit people really like to argue and go to war over, ostensibly. |
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http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2004/12/transubstantiation.html
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| | MSN Encarta - Search Results - Consubstantiation |
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| | On the Real Presence... by I. Shawn McElhinney |
| | The argument in posting these proofs is not to provetransubstantiation or consubstantiation. | | | Those that claim otherwise need to present some evidences for their assertion and not just assume that they are correct. | | | (Strictly speaking, neither position can be decisively proven from the Fathers.) However, both transubstantiation or consubstantiation take into account a realist interpretation of the Eucharist. |
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http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/realpresence3.html
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| | Stevie Nicks |
| | It is possible, however, to create a sense of connectedness or common ground among people where one person may influence another. | | | She demonstrates power in her vulnerability, a denial of the traditional norm of female passivity and shows that women can be rebellious and demonstrate power in a variety of ways which she translates into the expectations of her performance. | | | She reaches the level of mystification, because she enables the audience to adore her, but at the same time, she allows them to transcend hierarchical boundaries that separate them. |
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